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What is with all the hermie seeds these days?

I stand corrected, you are right, I completely blanked the fact that chemdog said he did get a male and tossed it cause he didnt realize what he had at the time.

But on that same note it’s not unheard of to find males in fem seeds either and it’s said that chemdog has a tendency to herm if not properly grown, which is how sour d and rumored that OG were created.

Sadly that whole group that make up a large percentage of today’s “strains” are from unknown sources with unknown heritage.

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Yep, I’d agree.
OG Kush came from a strain called
"Superknot"
Probly from the golf ball mug structure?

If I remember properly it was from Florida.

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I grew lot of Nirvana’s Original Glue outdoor this year and didn’t see one hermie.

It did however display Rodelization at the end of October on a left over popcorn bud. (end of life. as it should)

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I haven’t seen a true hermaphrodite from seed in my last 10 years of growing. I’ve seen some that throw nanners in their last week of flowering but I haven’t had any that pollinated the other plants. And I’m an outdoor grower and start all my plants from seed.

This is in stark contrast to the 90s when I’d get nasty hermaphrodites all the time. This is because breeders have access to better stock that’s had the hermaphrodite traits culled. Which is actually too bad the old hermie strains were a bitch but I feel like great phenotypes have been lost. A lot of the nasty stinky skunky stuff would hermie.

I’m also much more selective about who’s seeds I sprout. I hardly ever buy feminized seeds and when I do it’s from a breeder I trust knows what they’re doing. I don’t grow from bag seed, use seeds from reputable breeders with good reputations or friends who have their shit together. Or my own breeding. If you stick to these sources you probably won’t come across hermie lines.

Every hermaphrodite I’ve had has been from clones. I’ve seen outdoor plants cloned and brought indoors reverse sex. These plants were straight females without a single male flower that didn’t like moving indoors. It’s not common but I’ve seen it happen.

I’ve bought name brand clones from strangers in the medical clone market and had them go hermaphrodite. Gorilla Glue #4 and Cookies and Cream were the culprits and I’m not surprised. The GG#4 probably had sterile pollen. As soon as it showed male I moved it outdoors in late April and it finished flowering without self pollinating. It’s probably not a coincidence that the guy I got some of the clones from was an asshole.

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Repost from 5/22/2018:

Nothing wrong with feminized seeds, they are made using STS (Silver Thiosulfate) or CS (colloidal silver) which involves spraying to temporarily make female plants produce male parts through hormonal change. It is not stressful to the plant in any way and the plant goes back to being all female when you stop using the silver spray, it only affects the branches that are sprayed as well not the whole plant, it does not cause the offspring to be hermaphrodite as it is a hormonal change.

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Regular male x female seeds are just as likely to be hermaphrodite as feminized seeds, its an inherited trait from the parent plants. Through multiple generations of selfing negative effects will surface because of the lack of genetic diversity, outcrossing should not be a problem.

you can cross two female or cross two males by transforming one to the opposite sex, a transformed female clone to male will express pollen but it is still genetically a female, the same with males they can be transformed to female to make seeds.

Transforming males to a female will also allowing smoking of the male transformed to female expression or lab testing of the cannabinoids and terpenes they can contribute to progeny.

Regardless if the female is Haze or Skunk the f1 hybrids express the same general terpene and Cannabinoids, I have made hundreds and tested them.

There may be sex linked traits but this has not been proven in Cannabis.

Intersexed plants can be male or female. Males that are intersex can make seeds on themselves or on nearby plants.

One last point is plants do not just turn intersex because they have not been pollinated, they are born with the intersex traits, be they XY intersex or intersex traits that require stress of some sort to express the intersex. Both are inherited from intersex parents.

People confuse dominate and recessive genes with what a plant recieves from the parents, but do a prunett square with two palnts that have dominate and recessive genes for the same gene and you will see progeny have a crap shoot on what they receive. Depending on what the parents have Ww X Rr for example in the case of White and Red.

Plant genetics like Cannabis can be confusing as Cannabis is a dioecious obligate outcrosser and is a bit special. (90% of all flowering plants on earth have both sex, the remaining 10 percent have unisexual male and female flowers on the same plant (monoecious species) or male and female flowers on separate plants (dioecious species) they are the minority. Cannabis is one of the minority it is dioecious.
-SamS

Guy, I have been testing coco for years, right out of the bag. It’s all salty.

Suggest you drop the blind faith and use a bit of science.

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bit of a no brainer..

you stress 1 generation to produce fem seeds and then hermies show up in the next generation.. its called the ripple effect

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fem seeds were good in the 80s/90s when cannabis was illegal and cash croppers wanted female seeds because they didnt have the space or time to pheno hunt so this spawned a craze and loads of breeders jumped on it and started cashing in on the feminized seed business not that i would calling stressing females to produce seeds as breeding its more of a hack job.

ive had my fair share of hermie seeds from fems and ill never grow fem seeds again.. any breeder worth their salt will only work with reg seeds and stress their best female for the masses whilst keeping their prized ladies locked away..

not all breeders adopt this policy but reg seeds are slowly dissapearing and most seed companies are only offering fems with a handfull of reg seeds to choose from

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I haven’t seen a true hermaphrodite from seed in my last 10 years of growing. I’ve seen some that throw nanners in their last week of flowering but I haven’t had any that pollinated the other plants. And I’m an outdoor grower and start all my plants from seed.

This is in stark contrast to the 90s when I’d get nasty hermaphrodites all the time. This is because breeders have access to better stock that’s had the hermaphrodite traits culled. Which is actually too bad the old hermie strains were a bitch but I feel like great phenotypes have been lost. A lot of the nasty stinky skunky stuff would hermie.

I’m also much more selective about who’s seeds I sprout. I hardly ever buy feminized seeds and when I do it’s from a breeder I trust knows what they’re doing. I don’t grow from bag seed, use seeds from reputable breeders with good reputations or friends who have their shit together. Or my own breeding. If you stick to these sources you probably won’t come across hermie lines.

Every hermaphrodite I’ve had has been from clones. I’ve seen outdoor plants cloned and brought indoors reverse sex. These plants were straight females without a single male flower that didn’t like moving indoors. It’s not common but I’ve seen it happen.

I’ve bought name brand clones from strangers in the medical clone market and had them go hermaphrodite. Original Glue #4 and Cookies and Cream were the culprits and I’m not surprised. The GG#4 probably had sterile pollen. As soon as it showed male I moved it outdoors in late April and it finished flowering without self pollinating. It’s probably not a coincidence that the guy I got some of the clones from was an asshole.

Just a side note, GG4 is also a nanner produced strain but onto something else, so not an S1. Im sure most are aware, just putting it out there for the layman.
That is breeder topic never talked about, rodelized pollen onto other donors. In practice it probably produces a fair amount of shit, but its an interesting concept when looking at the production of unknown strains like OG, Sour D, Cookies and their progeny.

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Hermies of Cannabis Plants

A bad start at the seedling stage will stress them out.

Letting buds over-mature – this is also known as “rodelization”

Overfeeding and over watering.

Sometimes it just happens at no cause of your own. The truth is you always run the risk of running into a Hermie when growing feminized seeds… Very rare but it happens. It is true for non-feminized cannabis seeds, too! Regular seeds produce Hermies. Even Clones will Hermie in poor growing conditions.
Growing in a stress free environment will help prevent Hermies 99% of the time. In the end when growing Cannabis seeds or clones a Hermie will happen every now and then. Even to the best Growers.

How to produce more females from seed and Prevent Hermies

You should always use organic soil as your medium.

How to get more females to grow from that pack of seeds you purchased. What you need to know about cannabis is that the experience of the grower has so much to do with their female:male ratios when growing from seeds. You can give 5 people the same 10 seeds, and they will all have different results. Some growers will have 30% females, 70% females, 50% females and others 100% females. The sex is not exactly predetermined before the grower gets the seeds. It’s all about a few tips and tricks and most important of all, reducing stress on the plants, specifically right before the calyx’s begin to form.

Think about growing and controlling marijuana’s stress levels like that of a person with Diabetes. The less his or her blood sugar levels fluctuate, the less stress the diabetic will suffer.

If you over water or over dry your plants soil, it will cause stress, just like if your diabetics friends eats the wrong foods with too much sugar, or injects too much insulin, his body will not be stress free with all the fluctuations. They now have something called an insulin pump, that injects the proper amount of insulin 24 hours a day to keep sugar levels more stabilized throughout the day, instead of three injections per day which would have more fluctuations of the diabetics sugar levels and physical stress.

So the idea of good growing, to prevent hermies and produce more fems, making sure your plants:

Room temperature does not fluctuate too much

Room humidity levels do not fluctuate too much

Soil moisture levels to not become over watered or overly dry.

You keep the nutrients feeding regulated, not spiking or depleting the amounts of nutrients throughout each day. An equal ratio N,K and P will have reasonable results obtaining female plants. Remember the Diabetic pump theory,

You keep your light schedule exact, and never allow light pollution (never allow, even for a second, any amount of light to contact your plants during it’s dark cycle)

Never use 24 hours of light for vegetation, 18 on / 6 off is suitable, but not optimal. Read below for more advanced techniques.